Sources
- This is the index of everything the site reads: 123 sources, newest checks first.
- The Paladin class Discord is the primary source; the other class servers are listed for when this expands.
- 17 Discord invites were checked against Discord’s public endpoint, so the member counts are real.
- Anything marked “do not use” below is dead or wrong, and is kept so nobody re-adds it.
Blizzard: panels, posts, forums
Anything Blizzard said, with timestamps where the quote matters.
- BlizzCon Day 2 main stage VOD — paladin deep dive. Light’s Vigil at 1:08:28, Champion of the LightChampion of the LightIncreases your spell damage and healing by up to 33% of your Intellect.Requires 25 points in RetributionMax rank not read from footage; showing rank 1 text. at 1:11:46, class summary at 1:13:35.
- Live Q&A announcement — September 17, 10:00 a.m. Pacific. Question submission thread; the Ret channel submitted a question about restoring a form of seal twisting.
- Deep Dive panel recap — official written summary, including the paladin section and the Legacy system.
- Ion Hazzikostas and Holly Longdale interview — Warcraft Tavern’s press interview. Cited in the Ret channel for the addon and swing-timer stance.
- Kotaku: new things learned about WoW Forever — reports that addons will be restricted “in a similar way to how they are in Retail”, with no specifics, and that 10, 20 and 40-man raids are different raids with no flex sizing. Reached the Prot channel via a Reddit thread and the Ret channel via another.
- What’s Next panel — class philosophy, “just a bit of group healing” at 31:11.
- Found Photos panel recap — travel changes: new Darnassus to Stormwind boat, Stormwind harbor, Auberdine and Tanaris routes.
- Aggrend tweet before the deep dive — “Twisting ain’t the only game in town.” Read as a Ret tease; nothing new for Prot came of it.
- Legacy talent system clip — stage explanation of talents starting at level 5.
- Deep dive, no-commentary upload — “no more seal busywork” at 42:25. Posted in the Ret channel.
- Deep dive, third upload — “our tanks can only do threat on 3 or 4 targets” at 30:50, weapon skill “a little too easy to get”. At 49:35, paladins “will be doing as much damage as everyone else”, with a closing slide listing competitive DPS.
- Deep dive, no-commentary upload, paladin section — the paladin segment starts at 40:59.
- Gameplay trailer — at 1:34 to 1:38 a paladin blocks or absorbs a spell with a shield. The Prot channel wonders whether that is a mechanic.
- No Warlock or Shaman tank at launch — Reddit relay of Aggrend’s GameSpot interview.
- BlizzCon Day 2 Legends Stage stream — the live stream the Ret channel watched; paladin section roughly 17:40 to 17:55 channel time.
- Beta opt-in — free opt-in with no guarantee; the $60 pack includes access.
- Savix clip: world buffs do not work in raids — his source was questioned in the channel.
- Slide: “This is how it looks right now” — Blizzard’s own caveat that the demo trees may change.
- MrGM on X: Hyjal Summit — an achievement seen at the playtest naming the 20-player raid and its 13 encounters.
- Blizzard Watch: surnames in WoW Forever — the two-name system; only the combination is unique.
- Blizzard WoW Forever forums (EU) — General Discussion and Community Connections. No dedicated beta feedback or bug subforum yet, so class feedback is scattered through General Discussion.
- Blizzard WoW forums (US) — Same structure as EU; navigate from the forum root.
Where news breaks first
Ranked by how early the information lands.
- Daybreak Forever datamining — Diffs the Forever beta client against Classic Era, TBC Anniversary, Mists Classic and Retail, with build numbers (1.60.1.69913) and dedicated talent and skill sections. The most rigorous provenance found.
- Wowhead Forever hub — Dedicated Forever news, database and guides. Runs a beta client uploader, so it sees datamined data first. Multiple articles a day during beta.
- Warcraft Tavern Forever section — Granular datamined content, strongest on professions and items. Multiple posts a day.
- Icy Veins WoW Forever — Overview, beta access, builds and news. Better at synthesis than raw datamining.
- Daybreak Forever build diffs — Home of the beta client diff tool; the datamining subpage carries the talent and skill sections.
Discord servers
Member counts were read from Discord’s public invite endpoint on the date shown.
- Light Club — The Paladin class Discord and the primary source for this site. Seven Forever channels: general, holy, prot, ret, pvp, beta-testing. 50,136 members, 13,569 online as of 2026-09-17.
- Fight Club — Classic Warrior class Discord. Not the 3k server of the same name. 90,925 members, 24,801 online as of 2026-09-17.
- Classic Hunter Lodge — Classic Hunter class Discord. 64,990 members, 17,207 online as of 2026-09-17.
- Rogue Classic — Classic Rogue class Discord. 42,951 members, 11,299 online as of 2026-09-17.
- Priest Classic — Classic Priest class Discord. 57,413 members, 15,449 online as of 2026-09-17.
- Shaman Classic — Classic Shaman class Discord. 74,440 members, 20,174 online as of 2026-09-17.
- Mage Classic — Classic Mage class Discord. 67,418 members, 17,787 online as of 2026-09-17.
- Warlock Classic — Classic Warlock class Discord. 83,610 members, 21,512 online as of 2026-09-17.
- Druid Classic — Classic Druid class Discord. 71,891 members, 19,642 online as of 2026-09-17.
- WoW Portal Room — Blizzard’s official WoW Discord, the only server confirmed Blizzard-run. Hubs 21 partnered servers. 74,641 members, 15,967 online as of 2026-09-17.
- World of Warcraft — Largest general WoW server. Holds the wow vanity link but is not confirmed official. 171,814 members, 29,283 online as of 2026-09-17.
- Wowhead — Largest information-focused community server. 125,688 members, 20,422 online as of 2026-09-17.
- Classic WoW — General Classic community, predates Forever. 48,060 members, 7,947 online as of 2026-09-17.
- Warcraft Forever EU PvP — Largest Forever-dedicated server, EU, PvE and PvP. 10,871 members, 2,693 online as of 2026-09-17.
- WoW Forever US/NA — NA Forever community: PvP, PvE, Hardcore, RP. 6,627 members, 2,851 online as of 2026-09-17.
- WoW Forever NA — Competing NA server that markets itself to theorycrafters. 5,374 members, 2,476 online as of 2026-09-17.
- Xaryu — Largest verified streamer community server. 43,305 members, 7,168 online as of 2026-09-17.
- r/wowforever — The dedicated Forever subreddit and the active one: beta impression posts, weekly recruitment and Discord megathreads.
- r/classicwow — Where most Forever discussion and unfiltered sentiment lands, including the demo AMA threads.
- r/ClassicPlus — Mostly guild recruitment. Lower signal than r/wowforever; listed so it is not mistaken for the main sub.
Calculators and tools
- talentsforever.com — used for all build links on this site; exposes its transcription as JSON.
- classicwowforever.com
- forever.oxm.gg
- Wowhead Forever talent calculator — now has the talents and the beta data; three builds were posted from it and converted. Its RedoubtRedoubtDamaging melee attacks against you have a 10% chance to increase your chance to block by 6%. Lasts 10 sec or 5 blocks.Max rank not read from footage; showing rank 1 text. tooltip is wrong per the Prot channel, and the icons are placeholders. The Holy channel recommends it over wowforevertalents, which wrongly shows IlluminationIlluminationAfter getting a critical effect from your Flash of Light, Holy Light, Light's Vigil, or Holy Shock heal spell you have a 40% chance to gain Mana equal to 50% of the base cost of the spell.Requires 15 points in Holy · Requires 3 points in ReverenceMax rank not read from footage; showing rank 2 text. as a prerequisite for Divine FavorDivine Favor37 Mana | Instant | 2 min cooldownWhen activated, gives your next Flash of Light, Holy Light, or Holy Shock spell a 100% critical effect chance.Requires 15 points in HolyAll ranks read from demo footage..
- wowforevertools.com paladin changes — every paladin talent that is new or changed versus Classic, in one list.
- forevertalents.up.railway.app — third calculator, used for several PvP-channel builds. The Prot channel calls it janky.
- wowforevertalents.com — used for the one Prot link, one Ret link and one Holy link. Marks talents as confirmed Forever data versus Classic placeholder. Its spellbook was judged unreliable by the Prot channel, along with all AI-generated overnight sites.
- hyjal.cc — used for one Ret shockadin link; opaque encoding, so splits cannot be read from the URL.
- nikftw.github.io/forevertalent — older calculator, missing the Holy Strike talent and out of date per the Ret channel.
- classicwowforever Holy guide — and class change diff.
- Goldpip3/wow-forever-tools — a talent calculator, raid buff planner and DPS sim importing the talentsforever data.
- andycarlson13/foreversims — a Warlock sim with evidence-tiered claims, strict versus projected. The evidence-store pattern is the right template for a Forever paladin model.
- metammo talent overview — 470 talents, 119 new, 263 reworked, 81 removed.
- veldt1’s Forever item datamine — an early item dump from the beta client files, posted with the warning “not 100%”.
- WoW Forever Tools — Talent calculator, class and ability references, dungeon guides, raid roster planner.
- classicwow.gg Forever tools — Talent and Legacy calculators, 16-point Legacy trees.
- wowtbc.gg Forever calculator — Another talent calculator.
Guides and explainers
- Wowhead: new and updated gear set bonuses — the datamined Justice Armor, Battleplate and Battlegear bonuses, plus the Scarlet and Deathbone sets. Treated as placeholders by every channel.
- Wowhead: Legacy system explained
- Wowhead: Forever guides hub
- Warcraft Tavern: new enchanting formulas — formulas and librams found on demo profession vendors, tied to the Azeroth Commerce Authority faction. Includes the three librams and the “Spellblasting” two-hander enchant discussed in the Ret channel.
- Warcraft Tavern: new blacksmithing plans — the Enriched Thorium (defense and spell power) and Justicar’s (Strength and spell power) sets, an Intellect and healing set, and the level 12 to 25 spell-power set. The source for “spell power is the tank stat”.
- Warcraft Tavern: new cooking recipes — demo vendor recipes, including an Intellect flask the Holy channel would still skip for a mana potion.
- Warcraft Tavern: Ultrasafe Rechargeable Battery — recharges the safe engineering gadgets, not explosives.
- Wowhead: all known ways to earn Legacy points — none are reachable in the level 20 beta; the Prot channel estimates an average player has about 5 by 60.
- Wowhead: over a hundred creature models — datamined models, which the Ret channel found “very retail”.
- Enraging Light — Wowhead datamined spells and items cited in the channels: Enraging Light and Scarlet Guardian (Scarlet mail set bonuses), Return to Sender (a spell reflect below 25% health), Deathbone Surge, the Tier 1 Protection 5-piece (Forbearance 10 seconds shorter), Seal of the Dawn (a Naxxramas Sanctified buf
- Reddit: all professions and their camping features — datamined profession passives; mining and blacksmithing give an attack power or Strength buff per the Prot channel’s reading.
- hyjal.cc world map — a 3D map of the Forever world built from the client.
- Torch of Holy Flame — the Morbent Fel off-hand the Prot channel uses as a ranged pull.
- forever.oxm.gg professions page — Warning: the forever.oxm.gg professions page is copied from the Project Epoch wiki and is not Forever data. foreverchanges.pro and daybreakforever.com list Hammer of the Righteous with Season of Discovery wording; both were judged AI-generated by the Prot and Ret channels.
Theorycraft: analyses, sims, spreadsheets
The long-form work the model leans on. The library explains what each one is for.
- Vault of the Silverhands, Holy Paladin BiS Calculator — (2019). Item index from level 30 to Naxx with three stat-weight presets. The writeup on crit valuation is in its Warcraft Tavern thread.
- Holy Paladin crit vs mp5 vs +healing comparison — (2019). Small, focused on IlluminationIlluminationAfter getting a critical effect from your Flash of Light, Holy Light, Light's Vigil, or Holy Shock heal spell you have a 40% chance to gain Mana equal to 50% of the base cost of the spell.Requires 15 points in Holy · Requires 3 points in ReverenceMax rank not read from footage; showing rank 2 text.-adjusted stat equivalence.
- Urskrah’s single-target healing efficiency calculator — (2019). Heal per mana and per half-second of cast for every class’s ranks.
- Zerotorescue’s Holy Paladin model — (Legion). The methodology matters more than the numbers: cast ratios pulled from logs feed a stat-weight model, with an accuracy checker tab. This is the structure the Forever model follows.
- Despotus Ret DPS sheet — (2019). Toggleable gear, seals, procs.
- Retherz/RPaladinDamage — A 1.12 addon that estimates Ret DPS in-game. The author is the person correcting coefficient math in the forum threads below.
- source — wowsims/tbc (2021): source. Seal twisting hardcoded with a 399 ms twist window before the next swing.
- source — wowsims/tbc-new (2026, active): source. APL-driven twisting; only Command and Righteousness are twistable; published stat weights per phase with spell damage worth about a third of attack power for Ret. Prot has default weights too. Holy is a 54-line shell with placeholder weights.
- source — TheSorm/RetSim: source. The C# sim Ret players cited in 2021 before wowsims caught up.
- main document — hypernormalisation/zeal: main document and the Nightfall note. TBC Ret calculation tools with the seal-twisting equations written out. Posted in the Ret channel on September 16 as “mandatory reading for Forever Rets”, half joking; useful as the reference for what a twist window was worth.
- source — wowsims/classic (2026, alpha): source. Ret and Prot migrated from the SoD sim. Holy is an unlaunched stub. Open bug: Seal of Righteousness crits in the Ret sim.
- source — ClassicSim: source. Ret only; the promised healer support never shipped.
- source — Tyralon/healing_calcs: source. Python TBC and Wrath paladin healing stat-value sim. Read the code for assumptions; the README is one line.
- source — taubut’s raid healing simulator: source. A browser game, but its encounter damage scripts are reusable as damage profiles.
- Holy Paladin Handbook for Classic WoW — 261 pages, December 2024, by a rank-one Era paladin. The most comprehensive current document.
- Icy Veins Classic Holy comment thread — The critique is more rigorous than the guide it critiques.
- Spell coefficients, downranking penalty, math vs reality — Where the “talents multiply base only” correction comes from.
- The Holy Light: paladin healing — (2007). Downranking penalty tables and the Light’s Grace coefficient note.
- Askalon’s Light’s Bulwark — Real threat derivations for Prot.
- Retribution DPS Theorycraft sheets thread — and the seal twisting mechanics explainer.
- Procs per minute and weapon speed — for Seal of CommandSeal of Command65 Mana | InstantGives the Paladin a chance to deal additional Holy damage equal to 70% of normal weapon damage. Only one Seal can be active on the Paladin at any one time. Lasts 30 sec. Unleashing this Seal's energy will judge an enemy, instantly causing 68 to 73 Holy damage, 137 to 146 if the target is stunned or incapacitated.Requires 10 points in RetributionAll ranks read from demo footage..
- Banana Shoulders on Intellect — and Blessing of Kings, Normalize IlluminationIlluminationAfter getting a critical effect from your Flash of Light, Holy Light, Light's Vigil, or Holy Shock heal spell you have a 40% chance to gain Mana equal to 50% of the base cost of the spell.Requires 15 points in Holy · Requires 3 points in ReverenceMax rank not read from footage; showing rank 2 text.. The crit-as-mana derivations.
- Kurn, To Beacon or not to Beacon — Raw versus effective transfer math, relevant to Light’s Vigil comparisons.
- Amazon Basin paladin healing tables — Vanilla-era HPM per rank.
- Ask Mr. Robot healer sims, parts 1 to 4 — Damage profiles, effective healing, heal styles. The best general writeup.
- Blessing of Kings, Smart heals — and healiocentric on Chain Heal. Why AoE heals overheal less.
- ParseCard, evaluating healer parses — and the Warcraft Logs healing event fields. How effective healing is measured from logs.
- Mana regeneration formula — Spirit regen equals Spirit times the square root of Intellect times a level constant.
- Elitist Jerks archive — and the Theorycraft Archive wiki.
- phase-one healer tier list built from Warcraft Logs — Classic: Wowhead’s phase-one healer tier list built from Warcraft Logs.
- Wowhead — TBC: Wowhead and Warcraft Tavern both land on one Holy Paladin per raid as the tank healer, with three paladins total for Blessings. timesaver.gg gives a concrete six-healer Black Temple comp.
- wowmeta’s daily Warcraft Logs tier list — Season of Discovery: wowmeta’s daily Warcraft Logs tier list, Archon’s healer rankings, and Archon’s per-boss cast tables showing Beacon at about 75% overheal.
- classicdb.ch — Classic 1.12 spell database — 1.12 spell tooltips with exact rank values. Used for Blessing of Light rank 3 at level 60 (+400 Holy Light, +115 Flash of Light), which resolved the Flash of Light residual in the healing model.
Community: streams, threads, relayed statements
- Major Design Concerns for Paladin — Official forum thread collecting design concerns from the paladin community: Major Design Concerns for Paladin. Reply 61 is the Twist of LightTwist of LightWhen you replace your Seal of Command, Seal of Righteousness, Seal of Fury, or Seal of Justice with a different Seal, gain an Echo. Your next melee attack applies the replaced Seal's effects, consuming the Echo.Requires 30 points in Retribution · Requires Level 40All ranks read from demo footage. critique the Ret channel points to. One channel member was suspended for a reply there with no bad language.
- Savix stream VOD, PvP vendor segment — honor sets and tokens as seen in the demo. Posted in the Prot channel.
- Savix dungeon VOD, level 38 Ret — Holy Strike every 12 seconds, Judgement every 8, no resealing. Esfand’s day-one stream is the only other Ret footage anyone could name; no link posted.
- Esfand live, September 16: “Talking About WoW… Forever” — asked via superchat, Esfand called the Ret capstone bad and said he pushes TBC twisting in all his feedback; he did not answer whether twisting is coming.
- First look at Protection Paladin (BlizzCon 2026 hands-on) — pinned in the Prot channel: early rotation, talents and gear from the demo floor. Divine Shield does not stop blocking; the Undead racial procs about four times in 10 seconds at 16:50. Its author likes the Judgement taunt overall.
- Maitoz on healing meters and parses — pinned in the Holy channel as the answer to “do healing parses matter”.
- First look at the new Forever dungeon — includes the Consecration crit footage cited in the Ret channel.
- Rank 14 paladin PvP video — cited as the origin of shockadin’s popularity.
- Esfand and Stormfall on Forever going “realmless” — one server per region, sharded by ruleset and language per the channel’s reading.
Class Discords, one per class
Every invite below resolved on 2026-09-17. All are Classic-lineage, which matches Forever’s client.
| Class | Server | Invite | Members | Online |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Warrior | Fight Club | open | 90,925 | 24,801 |
| Warlock | Warlock Classic | open | 83,610 | 21,512 |
| Shaman | Shaman Classic | open | 74,440 | 20,174 |
| Druid | Druid Classic | open | 71,891 | 19,642 |
| Mage | Mage Classic | open | 67,418 | 17,787 |
| Hunter | Classic Hunter Lodge | open | 64,990 | 17,207 |
| Priest | Priest Classic | open | 57,413 | 15,449 |
| Paladin | Light Club | open | 50,136 | 13,569 |
| Rogue | Rogue Classic | open | 42,951 | 11,299 |
Do not use
- Wowhead Forever database: Corrupted Ashbringer — listed at about 35 DPS versus 90 in Classic. The Ret channel considers these weapon values placeholders. Archeus and X’caliboar are also listed.
- Legacy WoW class Discord list — Do not use. Every class link is a goo.gl short link and Google retired that service, so the whole page is dead.
- r/warcraftforever — Near-dead lookalike of r/wowforever, single-digit comment counts. Do not watch it.
How this page is maintained
The registry is sources.json at the repo root, one entry per source with its kind, what it is good for, when it was added and when its link was last verified. node scripts/sources.ts render rewrites this page from it, verify re-checks every URL and refreshes Discord member counts, and add appends a new source. Edit the registry, not this page.